Gino Wickman (00:00):
Welcome to the Shed and Shine podcast. I am Gino Wickman. This is where Rob Dube and I help driven entrepreneurs shed their shit, free their True Selves, unlock true entrepreneurial freedom, and shine. We truly appreciate you taking the time to spend with us and we hope to make a huge impact on you.
Rob Dube (00:19):
Hey, everyone. My name is Rob Dube and I'm back here with my great friend Gino Wickman. Gino, good to see you again.
Gino Wickman (00:29):
You as well my brother. Looking forward to this.
Rob Dube (00:31):
You weren't the same thing you were last time.
Gino Wickman (00:31):
Oh, I can't help. It's my favorite show.
Rob Dube (00:33):
We knock out a few of these at a time. I mean, let's be honest, okay.
Gino Wickman (00:36):
Oh, that's great.
Rob Dube (00:37):
So today we're going to talk about pure energy. Discovery number two is decisions are made from love or fear. And under that there's four levels. The second level is the pure energy level. You are pure energy. So I want to share a little bit of some talking points that I came up with and then I'm hoping you'll just vibe off of it.
Gino Wickman (00:38):
Absolutely.
Rob Dube (01:02):
Does that work? Okay.
Gino Wickman (01:03):
Love it.
Rob Dube (01:04):
So this energy thing, I'll call it, can get a little heady for some people and so I put together some thoughts and I'll start there. First, everything in the universe, including humans, is composed of energy at a fundamental level. And as I mentioned, this does get heady, this scientific principle, that matter is energy. There's an equation from Einstein, some of you, I'm sure, are all familiar with, I should say. E equals MC squared. And that demonstrates that matter, mass and energy are interchangeable. So this implies that all matter including the human body, so that's where I wanted to bring this in, can be viewed as a form of energy. So the concept's not just metaphorical, it has roots in physics and biology and it highlights that our bodies are made up of atoms and molecules that vibrate and interact energetically. So there's this atomic structure and at the most fundamental level, humans are made up of atoms and atoms consist of a nucleus containing protons and neutrons and electrons that orbit this nucleus and these particles are held together by electromagnetic forces, which are manifestations of energy. I'm almost done.
Gino Wickman (02:24):
Keep going. You're doing great.
Rob Dube (02:25):
There are many other theories that you can investigate on this. So there's quantum physics, quantum mechanics, bioelectricity, and our body's cellular processes. I'm not going to go into those, but I wanted to set this stage with the science around this thing. And I was thinking, "I wonder what Gino's going to say when I share all this." So now I get to hear the answer to what I was thinking.
Gino Wickman (02:49):
Yeah. So I'll tell you the first thought that comes to mind is if you would've told me five years ago that I would have a podcast, that I was personally doing, i.e., we are doing, that contained what you just said in the last two minutes. I would've called you a liar and my eyes are glazing over and my head is spinning. Okay? But I believe 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, everything you just said is true. I am just not smart enough to understand it. So what I am going to do is I'm going to give my dumbed down version of what you just said because you couldn't beat this belief out of me if you tried because what you said, it's science. You can't argue with it and it's only becoming more and more clear what you said. And so in my simple little version, and so this is my whole life, this is what I have done in business, is I simplify very complex topics.
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And so taking what you said, so that satisfies all the really smart people. Now I want to bring in the people that maybe that's heady like it is for me. So simply put, we are pure energy. It's undeniable. And so with that, it's just a common sense, soul level understanding that I have, and I have read what you're talking about, I understand what you're talking about. I can't recite what you're talking about, but in all of my research in the last 30 years, it's undeniable that I am pure energy. And so I'm going to try now to explain it a little deeper. There's a really great video by Rob Bell called Everything is Spiritual. And he described it as powerfully simple as I've ever seen it.
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And what he talks about is in the four and a half billion years of this planet's life, again by some scientist's belief, he just talks about how everything is made up of particles and then particles come together to make atoms, to your point, and then atoms come together to make molecules, to your point, and then molecules come together to make cells and then cells come together to make human beings. So now if you follow that, let's go all the way back to particles and atoms. It is scientifically proven that an atom is 99.99999% air. I mean it's air. So we, if you do the math on what I just said, we are 99.99999% air. And so what's the space in between all that? That's that air. And when you understand that, again, the science and certainly some spirituality and other teaching talks about, we just vibrate. That is all ever moving. We are all moving and vibrating constantly.
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And so when you understand that we're pure energy, we're 99.99% air and it's all a vibration, now you apply that to what we're teaching in Shine with the 10 Disciplines in this process, for me at least, it just makes a lot more sense because now I understand that everything going on with me is simply energy and I can manage that energy. When you understand that, again, we call it True Self, you can call it soul, you can call it spirit, you can call whatever you want, but that True Self is energy. And then we have these big egos as driven entrepreneurs and you can call that pure energy and you understand everything you've gone through in life and what you hang onto. It's all just simply energy that you can manage.
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And so if you have these energetic blocks, you can remove them once you understand the fact that it's all just simply pure energy. Now that's heady. I just shared that in six minutes. You shared yours in three minutes. It took me 30 years to comprehend this, but that's my attempt to dumb it down. And there's my response to what you said.
Rob Dube (06:54):
That's so good. So when you first did the 10 Disciplines talk and you started by saying, "You are all balls of energy," that hit me in a particular way. And I imagined looking out at an audience and literally seeing balls of energy. And I really appreciated the way you set that up because it got me thinking about things, because as you said, from a soul level or just intuitive level, there's a sense that that is all energy out there, all those people. Or when we're interacting with somebody, I always like to say, "You've had an interaction where you met somebody, you were having a conversation, they walked away and you went, 'Wow, that person had amazing energy,' or, 'That person had a really weird or off energy.'" Why are you saying that? Where is that coming from? It's because you're picking up on something.
Gino Wickman (07:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so again, this goes back to my simple little premise. And so we're talking about human beings right now. Everything is energy. Once you understand what I just said, everything is energy, earth is energy. This table. This table is not solid. This table is 99.999% air or spirit or whatever that thing is between the particles. So again, it's just a common sense, intuitive belief I have on everything that I've read and learned and experienced. So again, the point is everything is energy, everything is vibration. And so now when we come back to a thought, a thought is energy, a thought is vibration. You get to put in those thoughts. And so when you are hanging onto a trauma from the past, you are choosing to do that. This is where some people will get pissed off, this is where some people will have a breakthrough and it'll be life changing.
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But when we have something happen in our life, good or bad, and we keep hanging onto it... Because it's as much the trauma as the high school football superstar that doesn't shut the fuck up about it when he's 45 years old. It's like all he knows at 45 is how he was the superstar in high school. And I say that in such an extreme way is because that person is so trapped in the past that they're missing out on this beautiful future, just like bad stuff in the trauma. It's also the good stuff that we're defining ourselves by. If you understand, those are all conscious choices and it's just simply energy, you can choose what to focus on, you can choose what to think about, and you can let that stuff go. And when you understand, again, all energy, that the stuff we're hanging on from the past that is traumatic, it's defining us. The ego, which is all energy and vibration is hanging onto that stuff and defining us and creating a suit of armor, all of that can be shed and we can just be. I hope that made sense.
Rob Dube (09:54):
It made sense.
Gino Wickman (09:55):
And sorry to the high school superstar, that's 45.
Rob Dube (09:59):
That's me when I'm 55. You see how big I am.
Gino Wickman (10:02):
No wonder you had that mean look on your face when I said it.
Rob Dube (10:06):
No doubt.
Gino Wickman (10:08):
And just for the record, my high school years were freaking awesome, but I've let those go and the next 30 years is hopefully going to be even more awesome.
Rob Dube (10:15):
Yeah. But so now with all that said, we've got to manage it. And so what are the ways? How do I go about managing this? Do you want to start on that or-
Gino Wickman (10:24):
No. So you start and kind of tee it up for me 'cause I want to get a sense of where you're going with this.
Rob Dube (10:30):
Okay, so some notes that I took, some things that I was thinking about is you talked about vibration, vibrational energy. And so if we can think about it in those terms, imagine yourself, you're vibrating high or you're vibrating low. Hopefully that resonates with you if you're listening and you can get a sense if you're vibrating high, you have more positive emotions, you're more clear, you're creative, your overall well-being is better. When you're low or you're around somebody that's low, oftentimes there's negative emotions going on, confusion or stress, kind of like what Gino was saying about holding onto things.
(11:05):
And there's a cool resource that we like to talk about. It's in the book Shine, but you can also see it in the book Letting Go by David Hawkins. It's called the Map of Consciousness and where you're vibrating at your lowest, you're at shame and guilt. Those are the emotions that you're feeling. When you're in the middle of that map of consciousness. It's anger all the way up to acceptance and reason. And then when you're at the highest level, you're at love and then all the way up to enlightenment, whatever that means. Don't ask me, I wouldn't know.
Gino Wickman (11:39):
That's great,
Rob Dube (11:40):
But pure love. You know moments, like if you've had a child and you happen to see that child get born or even if you didn't, you know pure love. I mean you know that feeling, you know what that emotion is, which is another awareness, which will be another episode that you'll be hearing here shortly. You can bring awareness to your vibration and you can work on shifting that vibration. Okay, so that's what I have to say about that.
Gino Wickman (12:13):
Oh, that's good. And 70% of me wants to say, you've said it all, Rob. So I almost don't want to respond, but I want to respond with this. And what I'm always conscious of with these podcast episodes is that we're saying it a different way because I am assuming and trusting that every one of our audience members has read Shine. If you haven't read Shine, you're coming into this with an unfair advantage. We want you to understand the basics so that we can then say it a few different ways to really help it hit home. And so I'm going to do my best to try and say it a different way. I can't always do that, but I want to focus on this term you're using, vibration, i.e. pure energy. And so you said something really important. So now again, I want to try and dumb this down.
(12:54):
So vibration, you either vibrate high or you vibrate low. High is love, low is fear. Another way of saying it, vibration. You're either expanding or you are contracting. One of those two things are going on. They're all interchangeable with what I'm saying right now. And what it prompted for me is anyone that's vibrating low, and again, when you're stuck in those words that you already said, shame and fear and things like that, there's something that happens, and I don't know why this is coming to me, but I want to share it. But like attracts like, vibration attracts vibration, and so fear-based, people attract fear-based people. And so low vibrators attract low vibrators. And I can't help smile and laugh when I say that, but I can't think of a better way of saying that. So everybody come back, get out of your heads.
(13:49):
But it's true. And so there's lots of science on this, but there's something called trauma bonds and a million other ways to say this. But what it is you picture two people that come together in a relationship, significant others, and let's pretend they came together at 25 years old and they both vibrated low and have trauma. Well, the reality of it is they were attracted to that trauma. It's very rare that a low vibrator is attracted to a high vibrator in a long-term relationship like that. But shoot forward in time 20 years later and one heals and sheds their trauma and one doesn't. All of a sudden the one that did, starts to vibrate higher and the other one that didn't wants to stay right where they are, i.e. the person hanging on to old trauma or their high school days. So that person is expanding, vibrating higher, growing, and the other person just isn't ready. And this is where sometimes people just don't vibrate together any longer and relationships end. So for what that's worth, it's almost like an example I want to give and why I share that.
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And the other thing you prompted is just the word enlightenment. And so none of us know what that word means because it's just a word. And when, at least for me, when I fully understand this whole pure energy vibrational thing, words can't even describe it. There are no words. And so enlightenment is just simply a word we human beings came up with to try to explain this place of bliss. And so I'd love to just say that a different way because I believe what enlightenment is, again, putting more words on it, trying to describe it, which we can't, is just when you are your True Self, when you're purely your soul, when you've shed everything and nothing triggers you anymore. You fully, unconditionally love everything. You are not attached to anything. Your ego has subsided. And it's strictly a tool now for strategic planning and thinking. It's no longer something that runs your life when all of those things are gone and you're going through life that free. That, to me, is enlightenment for what that's worth.
Rob Dube (16:01):
Yeah, that's so good. There's a lot of fear in some of the things that you said that can come up for people because, for example, in a relationship, just that example you use of somebody vibrating higher. Now the relationship is out of alignment. But the feeling that maybe something needs to change is very scary. And so this journey at times can be scary. What do you think about that for people?
Gino Wickman (16:27):
Well, I don't know what more to say to that because it is scary, that. The reason I gave that example is what happened is 40% of our audience just went, "Holy shit". I mean, literally they're thinking about the relationship going, "Wait a minute. Am I the one that's growing and they're not or are they the one that's growing and I'm not." But this is real. And the other thing is, is like hopefully some of those 40% went, "Holy crap, that's what's going on. I'm going to stop feeling bad about growing because that person keeps pulling me back down like crabs in a barrel." So hell yes, this is scary. But you have two options. Go forward and grow and become your full self in this world, your True Self or stay in the past, stay where you are. And I just simply choose, I can't imagine not growing. My soul wants to grow. So no bad answer. Everybody has their own answer. But yes, that is scary as hell.
(17:20):
This work we're doing is scary. This work, when I speak to a generic audience that doesn't know the message, it scares the shit out of one third of the audience, literally. And that's not the right word. The way I like to say it now is it does not resonate with half the audience for whatever reason and they get mad at me, and all that I believe is really happening is it's hitting their trauma. And so I am just the mirror. And so I take the bullets from them, but nonetheless, this is scary stuff. And then I always love to say, if it's scaring you and it's so scary, you don't want to touch it, just go back to your outer world.
(17:58):
You are a driven entrepreneur. You have a gift. You have the soul of a driven entrepreneur. Just go keep working and building. If it's scaring you that bad, you'll get pinged again. But don't feel like you have to do this just because these two guys, Rob and Gino are touting this. Don't feel like you have to do this. Go make a freaking billion dollars building your empire. There's nothing wrong with that. And I just think someday you'll get pinged, but that's just my humble two cents.
Rob Dube (18:25):
Yeah, yeah. All right, so we only have a couple of minutes to go and I just wanted to share some examples of how I manage my energy. Maybe you could give a couple of yours, but I have a strong morning routine and I think that's been important for me. I've absolute clarity on my relationships, what's important to me there, clarity on what I want out of life. I practice the 10 Disciplines. It is a discipline for me and it's an ongoing thing to keep that foundation in place. So those are some ways that I manage my energy. Do you have anything to add?
Gino Wickman (19:00):
Well, I actually don't. What I want to do is just direct the listener, and by now they probably have listened to it, but I did an entire riff on ways I find peace, i.e. build my energy. So there's a whole episode on it and I just think it'd be wasted and redundant to repeat all that.
Rob Dube (19:16):
All right, cool. Gino, anything left to say here?
Gino Wickman (19:20):
We've said it all, Mr.
Rob Dube (19:21):
Okay. Thank you so much and thank you, the listener, for joining us. We'll see you next time and as always, stay focused and much love.
Gino Wickman (19:31):
Thank you for listening in today. We truly appreciate you taking the time to spend with us and please tune in for the next episode. Until then, if you'd like to see where you are on your True Self journey, go to shedandshinepodcast.com to take the True Self assessment and receive personalized guidance. If you're all ready to begin your inner world journey with Rob and myself, please join us for the next round of the 10 Disciplines group coaching program. We wish you all the best in freeing your True Self. Stay focused and much love.
